Monthly Archives: November 2021

FIRE.139 Non-CampFI Investing

Now shifting from CampFI SW in my last post, I noticed a post that I started in January 2020 after CampFI SE.  It’s a must share for an opposite perspective.

From 2020-01: I decided after CampFU (that was a typo, but actually kind of applicable) to drive across the Florida panhandle and explore the gulf coast, then head up into Alabama just for fun, just because I could.  I hopped in my rental RAV4—which was awesome because I’ve considered buying a Rav4  when I need a new car.  I mapped out the places to visit, and hotels deals along the way.  It turns out you can get some nice beach-view resort rooms at excellent prices with last-minute bookings, even in January.

There I was, in the lobby checking out of my (basic) motel in Tallahassee when I spoke to a stranger—which is rare for me.  After days of hearing about JL Collins The Simple Path to Wealth, I wanted to title this post “the simple path to nowhere.”  Another guest was checking out, and he said loud enough so those around him could hear his brilliance “OK, makin me some money on Tesla.

I asked him “oh, you’re invested in Tesla, that’s cool, what brokerage do you use?”  I know it was a somewhat leading question, but I wanted to dig into his boastful arrogance in a little more detail to understand his vocal prosperity.  He mentioned something about some “stock app” on his phone.  I said, “I’ve never heard of that, how does it work?”  Mr. Investor proceeds to show me how he’s up FOURTEEN CENTS and he “now has $2.04 in Tesla and $1.79 in apple.”  [I swear this is 100% true, I put the note in my phone immediately so I wouldn’t forget]

OK, I understand there is a stock-picking game used in schools all over the country (universities included) and the game is (in my opinion) detrimental to investing, especially long-term “investing,” but this app seemed like a game for sure.  It was the arrogance he shared out loud that bothered me.  Ironically, I am finally posting this considering how Carl just shared hisTesla investing story” recently. 

So, I have many thoughts about this motel lobby interaction 1) arrogantly boasting is unbecoming and may be asinine 2) stock games on a smartphone may be idiotic 3) I was staying in a lower-end motel, lower than I needed to 4)…

#4)  I was so disappointed that I didn’t have a $5 bill to double his money.  This is what I think is funny now 18+ months later, if he held on to his $2.04 of Tesla stock from Jan 2020, he actually would have shown me who’s boss.  It turns out, as of now Nov 2021 his Tesla “investment” would be worth $21.00+.

I’m not condescending of those struggling, or those saving small amounts to get started or give their life some buffer.  That is very hard for so many people.  There is even US tax code to support these savers-credits.  I believe in the power of positive actions—to try and improve a little at a time, day after day, week after week—hoping those actions make life better.  It’s the braggadocio nature of his obnoxious actions.

As for the opposite of my interaction, I love those who have shared the concept of stealth wealth.  I love the work of Dr. Thomas Stanley and his daughter, Sarah Stanley Fallaw.  These are just some of the many people who help make us all better.  I’m also pretty sure that they often do not speak in loud voices in public situations.

Help those you can, with whatever you can.

*** Nothing in this article is to be construed as financial advice.  I am not a financial planner, nor do I pretend to be.  You should always consult your own professional when seeking advice. This post is not a piece of literary mastery, just a random thought I had.

FIRE.138 CampFI Southwest 2021

I’ve said it before, and I’ll write it again—hanging out with people who make you better is one of the best things you can do for yourself and those around you.

I’ve been to five CampFI gatherings around the country and each one is very interesting and valuable to me.  There is an abundance of intelligence, wisdom, and sharing.  I am often presented with perspectives that differ from considerations I’ve had in the past.  I find value in listening, processing, and re-evaluating positions I’ve held on many topics.  This is not something that I normally do in real life with other people, even If they are friends.  I think I do this at camp because I feel that the people who (pay to) attend CampFI tend to be of higher intellectual caliber in so many ways and I recognize that distinction.

The average age of CampFI SW San Diego was a little older than many camps— probably mid-40s.  The ages ranged from 24 to 69.  There were a handful of people in their mid-20s, and a chunk of people 45/50+. The remaining (most) attendees were in the 35-45ish age range.  This allowed for a lot of discussions from those who may be nearing the 10-year stage of planning for FI, never mind the leaving-their-career stage.

Looking back, in the spring of 2020 I was closing in on turning 50 and I was really thinking that I’d aged out of CampFI and ChooseFI.  Many of the discussions (“saving $9 on Netflix every other month” or “side hustling for $100/wk”) didn’t interest me.  To be honest, even opening a treasury direct.gov account didn’t seem worth my time in an attempt to earn more interest on a $10k transaction.

As luck would have it, CampFI SW moved from the Palm Spring area to a camp near our home in Encinitas.   I also lucked out in that the group of attendees was the best of ANY CampFI I’ve been to.  “Awesome” (see I’m old).

One big takeaway is that I am glad I’m smart enough to realize that people who are not like me can make me better.

I also realize that people who challenge you to go outside your comfort zone (jumping off a zip line platform, or climbing a wall, or talking about a worldly topic) can help you grow.

In my mind, I find that talking with people who are on a similar journey ahead of you will help you navigate your path a little smarter.  Similarly, people who are on a similar journey but behind you can help you frame how you got to where you are.  Both groups of people can help you traverse your journey better than you would without them. 

*** Nothing in this article is to be construed as financial advice.  I am not a financial planner, nor do I pretend to be.  You should always consult your own professional when seeking advice. This post is not a piece of literary mastery, just a random thought I had.