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FIRE.045 Let’s think about THE Number

Well…Money people constantly talk about “the number.”  It’s your retirement number, the target you’re shooting for, the goal, the goal-to-end-all-goals.  I have some thoughts about this super magical number—or more specifically—your goal(s).

When I was 25 I thought about an early retirement around age 55.  I thought how reaching a million dollars would surely enable an early retirement.  Oh, how I could live off the income generated from that magical million dollars.  Well, I’ve read and learned that it turns out “one million” dollars wouldn’t actually be what it was 30 years earlier.  Oops!  Time to rethink think magic number.  You would think business school would have made that more clear—and more importantly taught us three simple words “total market index.”

So if the target is no longer (for many people) the magical million dollars, what is the target?  What is your savings goal?  It seems to me that looking at the issue in reverse may yield the best answer.  Your financial well being is based on what you spend, not what you earn in most cases.  Therefore, understanding how much you spend is critical to your financial well being before and during retirement.

I’ve tracked my monthly spending for 20+ years.  Each month I look at bank statements to log each transaction to get a really good idea of spending, usually to about 98% accuracy or so.  [we’ve learned it really doesn’t change too much over the years if you keep the same house, cars, spouse, etc]

Once you know what your spending pattern is while you’re working, you can then project how that spending may change in retirement (more opportunities to spend?).

Saving 25x (30x?) your yearly spending amount allows for the standard Safe Withdrawal Rate over a lengthy retirement based on many studies of historical models.  Yet based on unbelievably low current and recent fixed income rates the 4% SWR rule places retirees, and especially early retirees in a conundrum.  The first question, can you withdrawal 4% of your portfolio balance on year one—and adjust for inflation in subsequent years?  There is no way to answer this until you are 15, 20, 30 years into retirement.  Well, what about the logic that you spend more early in your retirement, in your “Go-Go” years?  As you, and your body, decide to do less adventurous/active/expensive activities as the years progress you may very well spend less money.  Will medical costs in those later life years increase, most probably.  Will those medical costs be more than your 4% inflation-adjusted spend rate?  Nobody knows your specific case.

The option I am working with is, what if I can use a withdrawal rate of 3%, or 2.5%, even 3.5%.  Some calculations I’ve performed show one half of one percent compounded over 20,30,40 years is DRAMATIC.  I also consider the possibility that my investment portfolio may perform better, or much better, than a worse case withdrawal rate.  Many financial advisors consider this the Flexible Withdrawal Strategy.  Where you withdrawal a little more following a good return year—pull a little more of the high profits— and less following a subpar year—live more basic.  The flexible withdrawal rate strategy seems to come back to controlling your fixed spending requirements for poor return years so you can maximize your Go-Go following the good years.  They say the overall stock market goes up approx 70% of the years.  Seven good years and three basic years every decade seems like a great idea to me.  Maybe you will want to rest and recover those three years from all your Go-Go activities.

My current working plan—being only 3+ years into FIRE— is to stick pretty close to my pre-FIRE spending rate, which was the target for my FIRE spending.  This plan luckily falls well below the 4% SWR.  My wife and I also seem to have stumbled into some flexible part-time working opportunities that we enjoy enough to do it.  We may spend a day or two per week, every few weeks working and gain some nice “playchecks” to buy “extra stuff” or put towards the basic bills.

So, “the number” is really just a checkpoint to allow you to route along the lifestyle you’ve planned to live.  The goal of “retirement” seems to be to have a plan for living life.  Your net worth should be tied directly to living.

FIRE.044 Fully FIREd Household ?!

So many people write about being in FIRE/FIREd.  Many others document their journey leading up to FI/FIRE.  I read so many of these blogs because there is so much amazing information, and even more to learn from each perspective.  Even to those already in FIRE, we have so much to learn.

BUT, and this is very important if you’re thinking about FIRE—technically a person can be in FIRE while still having a partner/spouse who works, but that is not a fully FIREd household.  Yes, it’s true that a smart household will continue to maintain an income, but I don’t believe that is the true idea of FIRE.

I’m not diminishing the FI portion of those blogger’s lives.  I just feel that having only one “RE” spouse is quite similar to a stay-at-home spouse…even if that couple is FI and the working income is not required.  It may also depend on how you personally feel about trading time for money (“work”).

I’m quite sure one “FIREd” person + with one working person is very different from a fully FIRED household.

The reason I feel this way is from firsthand experience.  When the direct deposits from your employer stop as you RE, your life finances have an entirely different foundation.  Monthly cash flow is the real deal.  Companies want your money when you pay your bills.  It is crucial that you have an income/inflow plan.  It doesn’t matter if it’s the bucket strategy, dividend/interest, pensions/annuities, gifts, or from a side hustle—planning before your cash flows outbound is critical.  It feels very strange at the start of FIRE to pay bills when there are no paychecks.

Most of us living below our means, and pushing towards FIRE, know the pleasure of saving and watching our accounts/net worth grow from our hard work and planning.  It is probably a very similar feeling to someone living paycheck to paycheck who buys something new and shows it off (like a fancy car, home remodel, clothes/shoes, a new gadget to replace the not-even-old-yet gadget).  Seriously, to each/their own—save or spend.  No judgment here—well a little judgment of course.

I understand a couple could be fully FIREd, and one or both people could have multiple streams of income—both passive and active.  Maintaining an income or multiple streams of income may be the true target for FIRE.  It may be you FIREd from a career that wasn’t in your heart and now you are pursuing a passion that may give you some income.  I can definitely understand following a passion or even just a strong interest.  This is a major part of the “freedom” of FI.  It seems obvious to me that many people who FIRE are high achievers who aren’t going to just shut down their skillset because they have FU money.  They are going to use their FU money to allow them to live their lives in the manner they choose.

So when I think about one person blogging on their FIRE while someone else in the home is working, especially when that work income is counted in the budget/plan, I think that is still a step from a fully FIREd household.

 

To be very clear, my wife “retired early” but I loved my job so I kept working for 3 years (over working) because I had one of the best jobs in the world.  I had planned to FIRE with her, but I didn’t feel the need to quit my career just yet.  So “we” weren’t FIREd, but we were FI, with FU money to spare for years—which made working even easier.

Also, as I mentioned before, we lived off our retirement budget for most of those three years that I over worked like the Mock Retirement idea.  Nearly every penny of that income went off to investments without being touched.  Yes, our “retirement” budget was a little higher (trip to Paris for free using that ‘over working’ income) but our tracking showed we were smart in our yearly spend estimates.

When you read about people in FIRE, just consider the varying levels of FIRE.

  1. Fully FIREd household: Both partners not working traditional careers.
  2. Partially FIREd: One partner not working traditional career, the other working, hopefully in something they really enjoy
  3. FI household: both partners doing whatever they choose to do each day because the inflow of income is not required to live their lifetime.  Working at what they enjoy is the nature of the FI over-achievers.
  4. FU household: working in careers to push up the net worth number. However, you are in control because of your savings/planning.  It’s like FI jr.  This is HUGE.

I think everyone who really works towards bettering their financial situation, especially consistently over the longer term, is so amazing.  Planning far ahead, delaying gratification (a little), balancing life now and in the future is so very hard.  But there’s a comic that has some logic:

“Whoever has the gold, makes the rules.”  Keep stocking up so you can make your own rules!!!

FIRE.043 Holiday Monday

Today is a Federal holiday celebrating “European expansion” as well as a local holiday celebrating local inhabitants.  If you really think about these honoring events, you are sure to be proud.

While one of the above celebrates a “new” act and one celebrates the “historical,” I realized only a very few (federal & bank employees?) get to celebrate with a day off from work…a Monday off from work.

Somehow this morning I woke up early and realized I felt fully rested.  Surprisingly it was 5:01 am when I looked at a nearby clock (not on my nightstand).  I am so very lucky that I didn’t have to think “oh man, I only have another hour or so to sleep before I have to get up.”  Instead, I thought “wow, it’s early and I feel great.”  Then I chose to lay there for the next 45 minutes and relax.  I thought about the great things I would do today, did some mind-calming activities (even though I already felt so amazing and didn’t have to try and meditate/prepare)—it was awesome.

Many of us choose FIRE because we really value the ability to own our schetchle.  This morning turned out to feel like an amazing, special Monday morning.  ALL Monday’s are great, but the enhanced recognition that some people were bummed about not getting this holiday off reminded me again how lucky we have are to have prepared for FIRE.

As the day went along, I thought about the powerful people who choose to live the life of multiple short retirements every couple years.  That is such a great idea to make time to control of your days/weeks/months while you’re young and able to enjoy life to the fullest.  I see a LOT of older people traveling—which is great—but often, some of them seem to be moving slower and some even seem to be in some discomfort/pain.  That pain has to make the travel experience less than optimally enjoyable.

Dave Ramsey is right “Live like no one else, so you can live like no one else.”  The more you plan for the future now, the better your outcome should be.  Nothing works out perfectly, but crafting a vision, making it into a plan, writing it down, tracking it, improving it can only make life better.

What do you want?  How can you steer yourself towards those goals?

FIRE.042 FIRE ignition,Day 1=free

I wanted to share my FIRE ignition, the final “pages” of corporate life and beginning of FIRE. They are the chapters of my life story, the Acts of my life’s play. I had read Mr. 1500’s final months story and absolutely loved it. I thought my story was so VERY similar in case anyone wanted to see another perspective. Thinking about it, I think Brandon’s/Mad Fientist transition was very similar too, but the international version. We all could have resigned earlier, but kept working (over working-bonus saving) because we enjoyed the work. More specifically, enjoyed the power of being in control of our employment status, see FU money. (Umm, working from home helps big time!)

My FIRE really happened on July 4th 2014. Independence Day for sure! BUT, I’m too smart to resign before a holiday so my last day of employment was 7/7/14 to make sure I was paid for the holiday. That holiday was hundreds of extra dollars just by waiting one more day and not even having to work that day. In so many ways, I live a charmed life. I know it and I treasure it. You can do the same.

So, I loved my job. I worked from home on a flexible schedule. I was a “computer guy.” My title was Infrastructure Architect/Program Manager. I worked with our company sites all over the world. Close to 125 sites in most regions. I’d lead system deployment projects as well as escalations that the help desk, 2nd tier, 3rd tier or local techs couldn’t figure out. It was great, being able to solve someone’s problem so they could get their work done and go home and enjoy their evening. In my mind, I was just a helper/fixer but my scope and criticality were pretty massive.

I’d get started 6:30-7a so I could grab any issues that happened in Europe before their end of day. I’d close issues before someone left for the day which helped them feel better about their evening. I’d then shift into US/Americas issues and see how I could help. Of course meetings on plans/schedules/etc happened through the US workday which was ok. Conference calls aren’t too bad. I was so lucky because I was able to squeeze in my workouts (gym, bike, run, hockey, whatever) for an hour or so anytime during the day when I wasn’t too busy. I would then start to wrap up my day around 5-6p when Asia was coming online. It was nice to try and get their issues closed during their morning so they weren’t struggling all day. I’m not a one-man follow-the-sun support person so all my contacts knew to get with me early/late in their respective day.

I love(d) fixing things. I worked with people on different continents every day. I love working with people from other companies on connectivity setups/troubleshooting. I had a great team working for me all over the US and support in other countries. It was great, but, over time the IT dept leaned out. Every 3-4 years we’d had RIFs and a couple team members would be let go, after about 6 rounds of this over 15 years the team was beyond thin. I lost the last two guys that worked for me in summer 2013. They traveled a couple times per month to sites for projects. I was lucky, with my team in place I traveled once per quarter or so to sites around the world and that was perfect. Once my team was down to me, then I started traveling every other week. That messed with my schetchle and my ability to control what I loved. I tried being a team of one for a year until …we’ll get to that.

Let’s jump back. I have saved some of my pay since I started working summer jobs in high school. I saved during my college jobs and as a professional. In 2005 my wife and I started on a seven-year plan to FIRE in 2012. We saved a little more during this time than normal but still lived a great life along the way. (We were lucky to both be professionals). We met our goals (“the number”) in 2011 so my wife retired early on our wedding anniversary that summer. Since I loved my job, and I worked from home, I just kept working (over working). The difference was when over-working, I saved ALL of my paycheck and we lived off our “FIRE” budget as an experiment. We did do a couple projects on the house and a trip to Europe on our “extra, since-I’m-still-working” money, but mostly lived off our planned budget amount. Pete The Planner calls this Mock RETIREMENT.

So from 2011 until 2014 my wife was the only one “retired.” In 2013 her work asked her to do some part-time, 2-3 day per week consulting, I continued over worked from home. In summer 2012 we bought a vacation trailer near the beach. This was our “since-I’m-still-working” money and like a bonus payable over a few years at the beach. It was “free” beach living. The coolest part was that I could work from “home” at my beach home. Some days/weeks in the summer, while at the beach, I would work in the morning and take half a day of vacation in the afternoon. These half vacation days stretched my vacation time to months of half-days. This made working so easy, enjoyable and still very productive to my customers.

In spring 2014 (about a year after my team was laid off) I read a work policy that allowed 30 days of leave without pay for personal reasons. I decided July would be my month off. I notified my boss in May that I was requesting July off. My boss was supportive but HR declined my request because my personal reasons did not match their policy. Apparently, you need some disaster to request personal time. I had no such disaster, I was loving life. I regrouped and told my bosses (who were great) I was going to take July off—no matter what—because I wanted to enjoy a break for myself. My boss tried to offer a vacation shuffle/etc but it didn’t seem truthful somehow trying to squeeze this out.

GET THIS. I gave my job to a senior! So I told the megacorp I was taking the time off in July, 40 days notice, on July 7th, and I suggested we bring back one of my teammates who was laid off the prior year. He was 63 and not getting traction getting a new position over the past year. I suggested two weeks overlap/training to get him back up to speed on the new technologies and they went for it and brought him back on contract. I was so happy. I helped a great guy get back into the workforce, utilizing his skillset, in a familiar situation. How cool is that? (over 3 years later he’s still employed with a nice paycheck for his family).

Recap:

  • End of May asked for July off—denied.
  • June 1st asked to cross train my senior replacement—accepted.
  • June 15th cross training replacement began.
  • July 4th got paid to celebrate Independence Day (at beach trailer).
  • July 7th my work accounts were shut down.
  • July 8th woke up and went for a run in the morning with no logging in to check on Europe.
  • July 9th went to the gym in the morning…repeat over and over for three+ years.

Here’s another tip “retirement in a trailer” is not a bad thing if you have a good trailer in a great location(s). There’s a whole culture of seniors who live in “Park Models.” Many have a summer mountain park model trailer, as well as a warm winter location park model. Two trailers can be cheaper than one house, plus you get two locations. Just be careful on the monthly space rent.

Takeaways:

  1. We hit our “number” and it was nice but didn’t change a thing.
  2. working in a job you love makes the day great, but being FI gives you ALL the power for your employment situation, FU money.
  3. leaving a working career (“retiring”) does not mean you won’t work at all. My wife and I find we get asked to consult or do little projects (I teach at a comm. college) so it may be possible to make some money to put towards your spending BEFORE you even need to think about your 3-4% withdrawals.

FIRE.041 Time Spent Vacation Planning

I’ve heard over and over than many people spend more time planning their vacation than their financial life. I actually thought this could be true since I feel in the best cases people just think “my work just moved some money into my 401k, I’m good” or “I saved $50 this paycheck.”

Those of us—I know you’re one of the rarest of us—who plan and think about how to structure your savings and future goals are few and far between.

So why am I writing this post? Last week I had an unplanned opportunity to head to LA for a week. I had five days or so to plan what I wanted to do. I spent an hour mapping out a plan for a few days at the beach, then a couple days in Hollywood, then back to the beach for a few more days.

I then began researching hotels, motels, then AirBnBs. After 3 hours or so, I had my AirBnB’s booked and secured. I quite was amazed that the whole afternoon had flown by as I picked great locations to sleep. I then saw some news about “the stock market’s gains for the day” and realized, I probably just spent more time booking my 7 hotel nights than most people spend figuring out their financial plan for a year.

I then preceded—over the next few days—to map out activities to undertake while I was in LA. I made a list of all my favorite things. I then made a list of things I thought would be different (see space shuttle), and some of which I always wanted to do (hike to the Hollywood sign, eat at the Rainbow Bar & Grill). I organized all of this planning into my schetchle and then I did even more planning.

All of a sudden, my 7 day LA adventure, had taken the better part of 4 days of planning. I’d hate to guess at how many people spend part of four days PER YEAR planning their finances. Even though their financial plan can affect over 50 years of life!

I have to say, my LA adventure was AMAZING. I’ve been to LA dozens of times but this trip was a magical combination of old favorite activities and new adventures. My days of planning, thinking and estimating helped make this one of my best vacations ever. “I love it when a plan comes together.”

By correlation, there is no doubt planning for your financial life will help make your life better. Fact: I know that my past financial planning efforts, driving us into FIRE, is what allowed me to take the time to both plan and enjoy this LA adventure.

It’s time to step up and plan. Take time to think about what you want in the future. Sketch out some goals, dreams, and plans. The experts say to write these down, share them with others, etc. Of course, we don’t reach every single milestone or dream, but you will reach many and get close to others. Being close to a dream is far better than being in a nightmare.

FIRE.040 55+ Community SECRET

Want to live two different lower cost housing lives at once? Homes in the 20’s (no I didn’t forget a zero).

There’s a secret the seniors are not sharing with the rest of us. Their reasons aren’t to keep the younger people out as much as it may be to keep their lifestyle in the awesome category. (do seniors say “awesome” or just gen Xers?)

Summary: many 55+ communities may actually be “Age Qualified” which might allow a percentage—up to 20% —of residents to be 40+ year old. Or more specifically, 80% of the units must be occupied by someone >=55.

I know you’re thinking, why would a 45-year-old want to be in a nursing home/retirement community? Here’s the reason; these aren’t nursing homes. There are many communities located in vacation areas that have small/very nice trailers for great prices. Many of these communities have “park models” which are mid size trailers <400 sq ft, some are even two story ‘loft’ models. These are pretty much permanently placed homes which may also have side expansion rooms. These communities have a monthly space rent, and some may let you buy your lot.

Many of these associations have onsite activities such as game rooms, clubs, and agreements with local companies. At some point, you will understand me when I said ’50 is not old.’

Here’s some math for you that works in Arizona.

  • You can buy a little summer home trailer in the mountains for $20-40k, pay $3000 for summer 6-month rent. Enjoy many activities in a great small town with lakes and trails and temperature in the 70-80s.
  • You can have a “winter” home/trailer in southern Arizona or Texas, even the California desert area. These winter homes may be in the $30-60k range and their rent may be in the $1000/mo range for the year. There may be many of the same activities and discounts you enjoy at your summer home. The weather in the winter may be in the 60s-70s.
  • Now if you add all of this up, you have 50-100k for the home purchases, then around $15k/yr for your space lease. That is not a bad deal for having two homes, two groups of friends, living in the 60s-80s year round for about $1200/mo estimated average rent. Imagine a $300k home, where you put down 20% and finance $240k, your payments may be pretty close to having two trailer homes. It’s just another option.

You can adjust the amount of the trailers and space rent by the desirability of the location. It is definitely more expensive to have a beach location, but in that case, you may only need one small home.

Maybe you just want to escape to the mountains for the summer, or for a week every month in the summer. That may be possible for little more than a tow behind trailer and definitely less than an RV.

All communities handle their age requirements differently. It’s important to know about this crazy alternative lifestyle because I know dozens of people who just love the flexibility of having a trailer as a second/vacation home.

You can look up the laws using: Housing for Older Persons Act (HOPA), The Fair Housing Act.

FIRE.039 Any Day, Any Time !

Any day, any time, anything I want.

Yesterday after my morning workout (9-10a) I was walking around a little to cool down and realized, I can do anything I want for the rest of the day. I absolutely own my schetchle today—actually most every day.

If you’re not FIREd, let me tell you, this is one of the magical moments—those moments you feel your freedom. Freedom all the way to your core. Yes, it’s obvious that almost every day I have my choices on what I want to do, but some moments it just hits you how special life can be.

Of course, we do not have kids, so there are no demands on our time from children. I’m sure there are blogs to help you optimize your time while raising/having a family. Those ideas must be extremely important for a life balance.

So for my day the immediate choices we something like this:

  • Hang out on my deck reading, relaxing, trying meditation (napping), enjoying life.
  • Tuning out and having a movie day and just relaxing (recovering from my exercise).
  • Walking around the neighborhood or on the beach for a while. Sitting on the beach and doing some of the above “deck-type” activities.
  • Using the computer to read and learn. Read my magazines or newspapers.
  • Take my scooter for a spin along the California coast.
  • Go shopping, run errands
  • Clean house/organize my life better.
  • Visit with neighbors who happen to be around.
  • Have a cocktail combined with activities above (safe activities)

So what did I do? It turns out all of the above except napping, vegging with the TV, and shopping. No need to waste away my time in front of the TV or waste my money entertainment shopping.

I rode my scooter around a little. I looked at the ocean for a while, I sat on my deck and read a little— both equal relaxing. I organized some of my stuff, I completed my Rubik’s cube using the web instructions, I visited with half a dozen neighbors in our trailer park (trailer life can be AWESOME). We also took our dog for a walk around the neighborhood. My wife joined me on many of my activities.

At the end of the day, I was tired from all my freedom—but in such a special way.

As you live your life toward FIRE, never forget—EVERY day is a good day. Enjoy as much as you can.

Oh, total cost= about 50 cents in scooter gas and $3.39 for an in/out burger (sometimes you just have to live it up a little.

FIRE.038 So you want more money

YES you say, I want more money. Do you feel as those others seem to have more money than you? On the other hand, it may feel strange to be the one who has more money.

I had the strange thought of “why do some people have more money than others” as I was looking at a group of people. It wasn’t me judging a person’s possible financial worth, but rather just another of the strange wonderings that go on inside my mind.

The first path my thoughts followed ventured down the “appearance” path. The usual “judging a book by its cover” argument or “what you see if what you get.” Everyone seems to have really nice stuff. They are birds of a feather… You’re probably an average of your top five friends…Yes, that’s true somewhat, as well as it is total BS.

Then I thought a little deeper as to income. How would someone generate more income than average? Possibly as simple as: they provide more value than the average person. Therefore they generate “more” than the average person. They push themselves more than the average person. And even, they placed themselves in a better position (some say “lucky”) than the average person.

If you are reading this, you are more than the average person. No, not because I’m somehow special but because you are. You took the time to try and gain knowledge, more insight, more ideas, more experiences from others. You are trying to educate/elevate yourself.

I think there are two main ways people put themselves into a better than average (financial) position. 1) They gain education/knowledge that is of a higher level, or more valuable than the average person. This will increase the demand for your knowledge, skills, and abilities above those with lower KSAs. 2) They may have created something. A business, a product, a service, a [what’s next?], that people need/want and are willing to pay for. Possibly pay more than average.

So income is important, as well as spending. The whole “spend less than you earn” logic. It is still very important to consider the money vs value equation. “Stuff vs Experiences.” I say understand what makes you happy, but spend wisely, after you have given the appropriate amount of thought and planning.

  • Does a Mercedes get you from point A to B better than a Kia?
  • Does an iphone make better calls than an HTC phone?)
  • Or do these products have a higher than average feature set/value than the average for people?

What can you do to increase your above-averangess to add value to yourself? Remember, there really is no ceiling to your ability to earn more. However, you can only frugal yourself so much.

One of the best t-shirts I’ve seen said: “half of your friends are below average.” My wife won’t let me buy that shirt, yet it’s mathematically correct.

FIRE.037 What and I doing here?

With SO much FIRE information online it got me thinking, what am I doing? Why do I add words to the interweb? Why?

There are already so many amazing blogs. Many are from smart people in FIRE and more from people leading up to FIRE. Not to mention those planning way in advance for FIRE.

There are so many perspectives: people with/without pensions, people with/without kids, people who spend very little, people who spend more than a little. There are those who are in “FIRE” even though their spouse still works—I thought that was called “stay at home someone…” There are so many different perspectives.

I have realized that:

1) sometimes I can find people who are close to my situation. This is great.

2) sometimes people who have different situations who also have the same mindset—some don’t.

3) sometimes people who are far from FIRE, yet have great perspective and refresh my ideas—some of which I had a decade ago—this rejuvenates my thoughts.

4) I sure like the snide people. It’s obvious they are proud of being different (those thinking/living FI are very different from the masses). They don’t mind pointing “things” out—things other people do that seems strange or even negative.

5) FI bloggers (and podcasters) are very special people. There is so much to learn from everyone.

6) I’ve realized that I’m not a social media promoter anything. I don’t get active and promote myself trying to jack up my passive income (I should self-promote my bad ass self, but I’m sure that’s only in *my* head). Maybe someday I’ll yell, “I’ve got this!”

So, why am I here? I just enjoy getting my thoughts and perspectives out of my head and onto the screen. I like to keep my thoughts pretty short since I don’t pay myself by the word. No need to ramble on in too much detail. I don’t know who reads these thoughts, but I know these thoughts are successful—they have been for me for decades so far.

So I’m just sharing thoughts a few times a month. Hopefully, some of my thoughts will spark something great for you too. I love my life.

FIRE.036 Student Loans in Retirement?!

Can you imagine going into early retirement with a student loan payment?

I know we all have different life situations and accomplishments, which is what makes people/life so interesting. We’ve all read about controlling—understanding—your spending before FIRE, so that you lessen the money stress in “retirement.”

We often read about paying off all consumer debt—which often charges a higher interest rate than your retirement assets may earn. We hear that many happy retirees have no mortgage payment—I didn’t say “house” payment because the government, insurance company, utility companies, etc. all want a payment from you.

Your housing expenses are definitely a flexible opportunity related to your cash flow. Some say, “why tie up much of your net worth in a home? If you need cash, you can’t eat your house.” This is why some people rent in retirement.

Being “house rich” is even worse than needing to make a major purchase and having ALL your money in a 401k/IRA. A $10,000 bill paid from a tax-deferred account could conceivably cost you $13,000 even without a youngun penalty (Fed & State taxes). Note: try and keep money in different tax treated accounts for flexibility.

Now on to the seemingly absurd topic in my brain. How could it be someone decides to retire (most likely early/very early) and still have student loans?

This must be a totally different math equation that I’m don’t understand—Of course, Calculus & Trigonometry never made much sense to me except, pass the class and move on.

Is it possible someone has saved enough money working in their career that they can afford to pay for their retirement expenses/lifestyle, yet decided not to pay off their student loans? I’m assuming an early retirement—which would mean a LONG retirement—and the related funding nest-egg to accommodate these many years of normal expenses.

This equation really perplexes me. I’ve come up with a few thoughts:

1) A pay-as-you-earn payment would be low if you earn nothing.

2) a medical retirement—which sucks.

3) maybe the “it will work out, *shrug*” plan.

Get a formal (and flexible) retirement plan from an experienced professional…YEARS before you give your notice. Follow up on your plan over time and sketch out a path for yourself. Do a budget test drive/mock retirement pass for a year or even two. Go into your new life phase with the most certainty possible!